making it basically a guessing game informed by other people's experiences. ... like amsoil or equivalent. The chemicals and additives included in the fluids are the specifications and they are not published, as far as I know, by the carmaker. Once flushed out, transmission starts to slip. By law car manufactures can not void your wananty if you use non Toyota fluids as long as the fluids meet their specs. I certainly wouldn't put any other in mine (A750F) until there's a well established track record. Buy genuine, I run their filters and transmission oils these days as they are nearly the same price as stuff from Supercheap and you can just screw them on and tip it in without a second thought. Specifically formulated for use in Toyota sealed automatic transmissions. Older boxes specified Toyota Type IV, which was essentially Dexron III;You could quite happily use your off the shelf multi ATF's and never suffer any ill effects and lets not kid around – there are 11ty million Toyota's out there running non genuine transmission fluids without any issue. and save little or no money, possibly spend even more than for the factory fluid . He mentioned changing the filter too, so I really now need to confirm he will perform a flush, and not just a drain and refill once. Toyota ATF-WS (World Standard) Automatic Transmission Fluid used in certain 2004-2008 vehicles is NOT compatible with Toyota T-IV or Dexron ATF. Yes and no, Subaru's CVT is very similar to the Audi Multi-tronic... because it's designed by and use parts from the same engineering firm (Schaeffler), and most "chain driven" CVT's have similar fluids anyhow. Provides optimum frictional performance and durability for consistently smooth shifting over the life of the transmission. Given every multi ATF that meets type T-IV specifications also happens to meet dexIII there cant be major differences viscosity or additive wise. Anybody use Amsoil ATF. Toyota says that their “{WS is lifetime fluid and never has to be changed” (making that statement saves While this law prevents voiding the overall warranty for a vehicle, a dealer can clearly deny a specific claim. If the vehicle is under warranty then it would be advisable to use OEM as no one really wants to fight with the dealer in the event of a transmission issue. http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Penrite-LV-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-LV-4-Litre/396357, The out sourced transmission warranty repair specialists recommended "Phoenix PX Transmatic LV" which is a local Australian company located here in Victoria , Dandenong though it does seem as much as Toyota want to not admit it seems you can use any specified fully synthetic WS (World Standard) oil. Well note that PX Technician Series which includes Toyota WS also includes Mazda FZ specification-http://www.phoenixlubricants.com.au/13web/pdf/PX%20Technician%20Series%20Transmatic%20LV%20PDS.pdfand that goes in the 'sealed for life' Mazda Skyactiv 6 speed transmission assuming it needs any-https://mazda.oemdtc.com/725/atf-fz-required-for-skyactiv-drive-6-speed-automatic-transaxle-2012-2016-mazdawhich raises the question as to whether the trans fluid can be sucked out of there and renewed? So Penrite it is. Most indies will either use the Toyota WS, or the Penrite as noted in earlier in the thread. After numerous hours of arguing with the local Toyota dealership and head office (and being sent back and forth which seems to be company policy for many honest questions from legitimate consumers today) over a simple recommendation of an alternate transmission oil to use instead of their astronomically (Toyota quoted $300 AUS) (not to mention another $300 to service and change the transmission oil) priced dealer WS (World Standard) Toyota oil I finally made head way in them giving me the number to their out sourced transmission warranty repair specialists . They are supposed to be pros and a well known place in the northern suburbs. Mech checking it likely found it discoloured and recommended 2 quick drop and fills. My car is a 2007 Corolla ZRE152R sedan with the U341E transmission. 5/30…10/30…etc is not a specification. Pretty simple to refill just need to get the temp right before closing it up. And with the A750F, about 2-3 litres of the new oil is sacrificed due to the flushing process. Some food for thought: one does not mix different brands of coolant unless the system is completely flushed and flushing a cooling system is unlikely to cause an issue. That said there was always the notion that in some of the more powerful applications of the A340E (1jz/2jz boxes) the genuine fluid seemed to shift a tad better, it wasnt expensive genuine either, $30/4L was the going rate (kinda what you would pay for DexIII from Supercheap anyway), The later boxes that run the WS are vastly different; You cant just throw DexIII in and motor on like you used to be able to.Could be worse, could be a ZF box lol. It does not appear he change the transmission filter at all from since he bought the car. 5 out of 5 stars I was hopping someone who may work in a transmission shop might have some experience with different transmission fluids for Toyotas, By law car manufactures can not void your wananty if you use non Toyota fluids as long as the fluids meet their specs, I don’t know if this is technically a law, but have you ever heard of Moss-Magnusson /, Yes it is a law and I am familiar with it. So most people just fall back to what the dealer tells them. Remember if your engine or trans fails it's usually at a stage where the cost of replacement junks the car. Refer WEBER STATE UNIVERSITYATTC 4860 – National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) Standards and Transmission Fluids. A friend has also done so with their Aurion. As I have also heard that the Toyota WS ATF is a re-branded Mobil oil . :(. Ryco makes aftermarket kits – RTK166 for Aurion – and I've used the filter and the rubber o-ring, but for the gasket I went with the Toyota part. $1,057.94. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. I have always used the expensive Toyota trans fluid both T-lV and WS. Seems like the Penrite ATF LV is a good choice. Modern car owners have to understand car tech and materials tech is changing all the time and requires very specific fluid technology and it's simply not worth penny pinching and getting it wrong. If they hand out bad advice willy-nilly to those that call, hungry lawyers will descend on them like buzzards on roadkill. If you do not flush how you know if it is safe to mix OEM with aftermarket, remember that aftermarket fluid may not be licensed and you cannot compare the two specifications as the aftermarket only publish 6 or 8 out of a possible 24 to 36 specifications. Went through it with a fine toothed comb, I didn't see Toyota WS listed anywhere . Good work, I need to do the same for my Mondeo, the next service is over 700 due to changing the transmission oil with some special ford oil. Tranny banged and grumbled all the way from there to Brisbane. It's basically a - thin base oil (5.5 to 6.5 ish cST @100 degrees C) + calcium + phosphorous + boron. I used Castrol in mine, no worries. They use Penrite products – for this, Penrite Multivehicle fully synthetic ATF LV. I don’t understand how using the factory fluid is, I’m amazed that all the car manufacturers have all these design fluids and there are no well know alternatives, Nobody’s forcing you to buy from the dealer. Although the 'Additional Service' regime for that halves the 6yr/90k to 3yrs/45k one criteria being at least 50% urban stop start driving at 32 deg C or higher. He did seem confident to know how to do it as he did say he has performed it on a few Aurion taxis that have come through his workshop. I called them and they assured me it is compatable with T-lV and WS fluid. ... Answer: Toyota ATF-WS ... What atf is compatible with Toyota atf ws? Toyota World Standard; 1 Quart Container; 12pcs per case Fits Lexus, Pontiac, Scion, Subaru, Toyota. I hope that will be sufficient for a full flush. I am due for a ATF fluid exchange and am considering using this as replacement and doing changes every 100k mi. It must be pointed out that some manufactures do not recommend a flush. or simply not service the transmission at all. The out sourced transmission warranty repair specialists recommended "Phoenix PX Transmatic LV" which is a local Australian company located here in Victoria , Dandenong though it does seem as much as Toyota want to not admit it seems you can use any specified fully synthetic WS (World Standard) oil which brings down the price to a reasonable $30-$50 AUS and if you can find a reputable transmission specialist they should charge you between $150 and $250 for a full service which includes the oil filter kit and oil change instead of Toyota. I am trying to find a better substitute for T-lV and WS. I suggest to get 2 bottles. . Toyota says that their “{WS is lifetime fluid and never has to be changed” (making that statement saves Genuine Toyota ATF WS (World Standard) Specifically formulated by Toyota for Toyota vehicles Genuine Toyota Automatic Transmission Fluid is an advanced ATF designed by Toyota R&D specifically for Toyota automatic transmissions: Tested and approved by Toyota. Penrite ATF LV seems to be the only one that meets Toyota WS standards. It just hit 150,000km. can you please provide a link that confirms what you are claiming? The pan only holds like half the fluid, the rest sits in the TC and hoses. I had to take it to Toyota who saidA NEVER use anything but WS in these boxesB fill it correctly through the bottom and not the top holeC Turn it on and get it to the right temperature and recheck levels.Expert did none of this and it ended up costing me over $500 to have oil flushed completely and correct oil in it.He refunded me his cost after a big blowup Only funny thing was I sold it not long after and the buyer came to see me and told me he did the tranny oil. What specification is out? If the mechanic is doing a full flush of the system, how many litres would be needed? Is my transmission going to be in trouble? The question of whether the genuine oil is re-branded 3309 is something we will probably never know;Mobil list it as a replacement for T-III anyway – which in all the Toyota service manuals I have is recommended as Dexron III. Go for it! I did a lot of research at about a year ago and did the same with my Aurion. Use Toyota approved “Toyota Genuine Motor Oil” or equivalent to satisfy the following grade and viscosity. Maxlife is not so easy to get where I live, and anyway, I'd rather support an Australian manufacturer when I can. Did the return cooler line flush in the driveway on both my Aurions. Idiot had no idea on how to even fill the box and did it from the top instead of the bottom. Penrite full synthetic LV~60,000ks since this was put in my A750F, absolutely no issues. I was also wondering during my next transmission service, if I am not using the same Elfmatic MV synthetic oil, do I need to do a full flush or just a drain and refill? Anyone know about Phoenix Lubricants for transmission? A friend has a 2004 Corolla with an automatic transmission. As for your corolla, you need to take total tranny fluid volume which can be found in your manual, and drain-out volume in to account, then do some math. toyota millions of dollars on environmental fee). It works out cheaper than the Penrite alternative. We were specifically told that none of those parts were necessarily voiding the warranty. Toyota WS ATF is good stuff for those vehicles that require it. Often flush cause sentiment to dislodge and cause problem. W0133-1930425 I did check Valvoline Maxlife ATF but the specs indicate viscosity is outside the specs of the Toyota WS. However Amazon Au offer Valvoline Maxlife ATF which gets a lot of praise on toyotanation, clublexus & bitog: https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07G5Y5QDV/?coliid=IPG0GHWHYRUBB&colid=2QBRP40IB6E&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it. When the transmission reaches a specified temperature they open the plug, when it slowly drips it's full. I did tranny oil replace on my 2013 Lexus rx350 myself 2 month ago. I swapped my 2000 Avalon's ATF (well, about 2/3 of it – rest was in the TC) with some Valvoline DX3 or something at 160,000km and 13 years of age. I drain and fill every 30K. AutohausAZ offers a large selection of Genuine parts online. I’m not trying to argue I was trying to find out info on some other type of transmission fluid. WS (World Standard) ATF alternative (Toyota cars), I do not think much of Toyota any more with their marketing strategies even though they still make a. Most folks here, including me, advise against it, but hey! I'd say 11-12litres should suffice. Just chiming in here as had dramas with a so called Transmission expert in Adelaide who put Transmax in my 100ser Cruiser, filled it completely the wrong way and also pinched an O ring re assembling it. I don't know. We know that the dealers will lie just to make money. PENRITE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID LV will not make any problems to your Toyota vehicle, it is already been used by many people. The only “they” that counts here is the dealer. I get mine from this warehouse in Sydney. . . I do not think much of Toyota any more with their marketing strategies even though they still make a reliable automotive product any company removing dipsticks from their cars forcing customers to take their cars for dealer servicing and then go on to charge astronomical prices for an oil change should be treated with caution . P.S Info:Van has 48000 miles. I'd probably trust Penrite's range more, though when I look at CVT fluid for a future fluid change in my Subaru, there is a large range in brookfield viscosity between different brands claiming to be suitable (Penrite's is on the high side), and Subaru don't publish the specs of their fluid (to my knowledge), making it basically a guessing game informed by other people's experiences. This video is about Toyota WS ATF, everything about the ws atf. Now at 210,000km and 16 years and still shifts flawlessly, by all accounts putting this in should have caused all sorts of doom and gloom if you believe the fud on the interwebs. Type WS when Type WS automatic transmission fluid is required for Lexus, Scion, Toyota and other make vehicles. Sure, we could prove that aftermarket parts and fluids were used. Supplied 12L of the stuff to the mechanic to do the flush. 252-2006 ©2018 Federal-Mogul Motorparts LLC. I've been quoted around $380 all-inclusive for a fluid flush/filter change by a major Toyota dealership...I have no clue where the OP gets his $700 figure from (for an Aurion), Apparently U660Es are also very intolerant to fluids that deviate from WS standards. It's cork, while the OEM is the reusable type, part code 35168-33080. As transmissions are upgraded and improved, so must the automatic transmission fluid be upgraded. Mobil 3324, has the right specs and plenty of people (Bobs forums) seem to think it is the real deal (MSDS for Toyota list Mobil). Toyota Genuine WS Automatic Transmission Fluid: Considering the Elfmatic MV did not meet WS specs, I really don't understand why the shop would fill the tranny, twice with this oil. I've gone through the US forums, and there is a lot of support for a Valvoline Maxlife Multi-Vehicle ATF, e.g. The mechanic says he's done a few transmission flushes for Aurion taxis. toyota millions of dollars on environmental fee. If you've never serviced the transmission I suggest the complete service: fluid drain, pan drop and clean, replace the filter, refill, flush using the cooler return line and then fluid level check. The dino Toyota T-IV is Mobil-3309, at least in the US. I am around the northern suburbs. You get rough shifting transmission as a result. In their product info sheet they state that it WILL NOT void vechele warranty and if you or your customer have any transmission issues while using it to please contact them. It's really a cookie cutter low-zinc, low viscosity ATF formulation. The issues of Toyota transmission flushing and Toyota ATF WS are long-running, here and on other sites around the world. From my understanding, it will be more if we do a pan down and transmission filter replacement as well. Does anyone have any comments / experience of Penrite ATF LV as a Toyota WS replacement? $330 for every 100,000km is pretty good value. Toyota's World Standard (WS) ATF is one of the newest generation of ATF on the market. whereas number 6 for the 7th year jumps up to $550 so maybe it's trans fluid change time like the Mitsi fourby including its transfer case and diffs. Any ideas why the trans oil change was done twice in 10k? You ALWAYS have a choice. I don't agree with the sealed for life mantra so I get this done every 100k. If not then you can learn, adjust, and proceed from there. Yes here's Liquimoly Dexron VI-Mercon LV spec ATF -https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/5Qt-Auto-Trans-Fluid-ATF-LIQUI-MOLY-Fully-Synthetic-for-Dexron-VI-Mercon-LV/233507670613and note the coverage-, "Dexron VI, Ford Mercon LV, Aisin Warner AW-1, 83 22 0 142 516, 83 22 2-152 426, 83 22 2-289 720, 83 22 2-305 396, 83 22 2-305 397, 83 22 2-355 599, M-1375.4, Fiat 9.55550-AV5, JWS 3324 Aisin Warner, Land Rover TYK 500050, Honda ATF 3.1, ATF DW-1, Hyundai SP-IV, Mazda ATF FZ, MB 236.12, MB 236.14, Mitsubishi Dia Queen ATF-PA, Nissan AT-Matic S Fluid, Toyota WS, VW G 055 005, VW G 055 540, VW G 060 162", WRT to the Mazda FZ coverage for Skyactiv Drive transmissions there was the usual question about let sleeping dogs lie with filled for life or when to change and Rowell and Searle (the unclutchables) in Adelaide said 40k intervals-https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/index.php?threads/should-i-change-transmission-fluid-in-skyactiv-cars.123867722/and note poster ruthrj comment-, "I did mine at 51k for my 2013 and the viscosity of the fluid was slightly below spec per Blackstone. 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